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Will it be possible to transfer CSC to the Nano Ledger S at some point? 

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Right now the current repository for the code is: https://github.com/lotogus/blue-app-csc/tree/develop

I believe it works, and is currently in testing, but I can't confirm that personally.

The focus of the team is on the BRM release, and making sure the Community Relay Nodes (CRNs) go live ASAP.  So, I would post this project as low priority, but they are always willing to accept help.  Just reach out to @Daniel Keller here, or on discord in the #community-ledger-test channel.

https://discord.gg/kVxg3Ay

 

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I am working on that. It will be available the "hacking" way before it works the official way. It's a question of paying for the integration. Someone tossed a new number and it ranges from 20k to 40k 

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This would be awesome!  

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You DO NOT want your CSC or even any other coin on ledger shit. First they charge 50,000 for the priviledge. Next YOU do not control the secret keys to your wallet so not your coins. Why is it all of you are comfortable with that? Read the news about the ledger shit servers going down and noone being able to make withdrawals. Learning how to use a paper wallet js absolutely free and a 1000x more secure.

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26 minutes ago, BumFuzzle said:

You DO NOT want your CSC or even any other coin on ledger shit. First they charge 50,000 for the priviledge. Next YOU do not control the secret keys to your wallet so not your coins. Why is it all of you are comfortable with that? Read the news about the ledger shit servers going down and noone being able to make withdrawals. Learning how to use a paper wallet js absolutely free and a 1000x more secure.

Very enlightening, but so full of sh*t too. Paper Wallet is the same, bro, Lighten up.

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36 minutes ago, BumFuzzle said:

You DO NOT want your CSC or even any other coin on ledger shit. First they charge 50,000 for the priviledge. Next YOU do not control the secret keys to your wallet so not your coins. Why is it all of you are comfortable with that? Read the news about the ledger shit servers going down and noone being able to make withdrawals. Learning how to use a paper wallet js absolutely free and a 1000x more secure.

What are you talking about??... 😂😂

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5 minutes ago, LeGonze said:

What are you talking about??... 😂😂

My thought too  @LeGonze It must have been a shout out from one brain cell to the Rest of the World.
We are  here @BumFuzzle anything else on your mind?

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1 hour ago, BumFuzzle said:

You DO NOT want your CSC or even any other coin on ledger shit. First they charge 50,000 for the priviledge. Next YOU do not control the secret keys to your wallet so not your coins. Why is it all of you are comfortable with that? Read the news about the ledger shit servers going down and noone being able to make withdrawals. Learning how to use a paper wallet js absolutely free and a 1000x more secure.

Wtf.

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3 hours ago, Zenkert said:

My thought too  @LeGonze It must have been a shout out from one brain cell to the Rest of the World.
We are  here @BumFuzzle anything else on your mind?

 

2 hours ago, Lambotothemoon said:

Wtf.

 

3 hours ago, LeGonze said:

What are you talking about??... 😂😂

I usually start to say weird stuff too if I drink way too much... :JC_thinking:

:sarcastic:

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10 hours ago, Zenkert said:

Very enlightening, but so full of sh*t too. Paper Wallet is the same, bro, Lighten up.

Huh?? How is a paper wallet the same "Bro?" You control your secret key and your control your wallet. A ledger does not even give you your secret keys "bro". So ledger corp decides to pack up or is hacked internally so you can not withdrawal anymore. Show me how you are going to open a local wallet and import those coins..... All Ledger does is associate a key with your account allowing your to use another Ledger but you can not go out side of the device unless you transfer coins to another wallet. You can not do that unless you can log into Ledger "Bro." The foundation not moving to a Ledger for the moment is good for you all. I understand that for interest they may still do it in the future soley for public interest but as a security measure, they are helping you all out.

Smarter is using their already completed Android app and wiring it to NFC for transfers or even QR code. They have that tech at hand right now for near free. But $50,000 so some lazy kid who has no idea how to control their keys to their crypto is a waste of money. I would expect you as a senior member here "Bro" to give better advice.

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1 hour ago, BumFuzzle said:

Huh?? How is a paper wallet the same "Bro?" You control your secret key and your control your wallet. A ledger does not even give you your secret keys "bro". So ledger corp decides to pack up or is hacked internally so you can not withdrawal anymore. Show me how you are going to open a local wallet and import those coins..... All Ledger does is associate a key with your account allowing your to use another Ledger but you can not go out side of the device unless you transfer coins to another wallet. You can not do that unless you can log into Ledger "Bro." The foundation not moving to a Ledger for the moment is good for you all. I understand that for interest they may still do it in the future soley for public interest but as a security measure, they are helping you all out.

Smarter is using their already completed Android app and wiring it to NFC for transfers or even QR code. They have that tech at hand right now for near free. But $50,000 so some lazy kid who has no idea how to control their keys to their crypto is a waste of money. I would expect you as a senior member here "Bro" to give better advice.

Hey BumFuzzle, some of your statements do make sense and I agree that making use of the Ledger implies a certain amount of trust in Ledger corp.

However some parts of what you say are just plain insulting to others who have a different opinion/others who opt to choose a different strategy. Please stop doing so!

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2 hours ago, BumFuzzle said:

 A ledger does not even give you your secret keys "bro". So ledger corp decides to pack up or is hacked internally so you can not withdrawal anymore. Show me how you are going to open a local wallet and import those coins..... 

While it is true that the Ledger devices do not reveal your secret keys, you can access your digital assets on another local wallet without it (XRP at least).

I and many others do so as a “backup” to the Nano S failing and not being able to get hold of another one in sufficient time. 

I simply use Ian Coleman’s BIP39 tools to enter my 24 words and choose the digital asset I want access too. I then use the Private Key it reveals (not the same as the secret key) to sign my offline transactions as I require in tools such as RippleRM wallet. 

All offline on a safe computer, of course!

Given CSC ledger is built on the same principles and codebase as XRP ledger, you can do the same for CSC too, albeit there is no Nano S support for CSC right now. I’m working on such a tool that allows the above but for CSC and XRP together.

So while you may not get your secret key from a Ledger device, you can nevertheless perform operations on your assets independently of the device itself, so long as you know your 24 words. Magic. 

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12 hours ago, FlyingFox said:

While it is true that the Ledger devices do not reveal your secret keys, you can access your digital assets on another local wallet without it (XRP at least).

I and many others do so as a “backup” to the Nano S failing and not being able to get hold of another one in sufficient time. 

I simply use Ian Coleman’s BIP39 tools to enter my 24 words and choose the digital asset I want access too. I then use the Private Key it reveals (not the same as the secret key) to sign my offline transactions as I require in tools such as RippleRM wallet. 

All offline on a safe computer, of course!

Given CSC ledger is built on the same principles and codebase as XRP ledger, you can do the same for CSC too, albeit there is no Nano S support for CSC right now. I’m working on such a tool that allows the above but for CSC and XRP together.

So while you may not get your secret key from a Ledger device, you can nevertheless perform operations on your assets independently of the device itself, so long as you know your 24 words. Magic. 

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On 10/27/2018 at 1:06 AM, BumFuzzle said:

Huh?? How is a paper wallet the same "Bro?" You control your secret key and your control your wallet. A ledger does not even give you your secret keys "bro". So ledger corp decides to pack up or is hacked internally so you can not withdrawal anymore. Show me how you are going to open a local wallet and import those coins..... All Ledger does is associate a key with your account allowing your to use another Ledger but you can not go out side of the device unless you transfer coins to another wallet. You can not do that unless you can log into Ledger "Bro." The foundation not moving to a Ledger for the moment is good for you all. I understand that for interest they may still do it in the future soley for public interest but as a security measure, they are helping you all out.

Smarter is using their already completed Android app and wiring it to NFC for transfers or even QR code. They have that tech at hand right now for near free. But $50,000 so some lazy kid who has no idea how to control their keys to their crypto is a waste of money. I would expect you as a senior member here "Bro" to give better advice.

1) The private key is stored on the secure element on the Nano. It does not leave the device.

2) Ledger can go out of business tomorrow, shut their doors, shut down their systems, get hacked - all of the above. Your crypto is safe.

3) if you lose your Nano, you can restore access to your funds using any BIP39 compliant wallet and your seed.

The benefits of a Ledger over paper?

1) if someone finds or steals my ledger, they need my pin to do anything with it. If they have my paper wallet, I'm screwed.

2) If there's a fire or other disaster, I can recover my ledger using the seed to any number of hard or soft wallets of my choosing. My paper wallet is gone forever.

3) Since my private key is never revealed even to me and remains on the secure element of the device, it is not possible for a hacker to gain access to my funds if my PC or network is compromised. All I have to do is enter my paper wallet into a soft wallet on my PC once and that paper wallet is no longer secure.

You would be correct, however, in pointing out the Achilles heel of the Ledger is the seed. This is mitigated, however, as the seed is generated offline, so it is at the very least as secure as a knowledgeable person setting up a paper wallet. You can further secure the seed using something like a cryptosteel and dropping it in a safe deposit box. Now you have access to your crypto via a secured protected device (Nano) and have recoverability in the event of loss theft, damage, or Ledger going out of business (BIP39 seed on cryptosteel).

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1 hour ago, BCRevolution said:

1) The private key is stored on the secure element on the Nano. It does not leave the device.

2) Ledger can go out of business tomorrow, shut their doors, shut down their systems, get hacked - all of the above. Your crypto is safe.

3) if you lose your Nano, you can restore access to your funds using any BIP39 compliant wallet and your seed.

The benefits of a Ledger over paper?

1) if someone finds or steals my ledger, they need my pin to do anything with it. If they have my paper wallet, I'm screwed.

2) If there's a fire or other disaster, I can recover my ledger using the seed to any number of hard or soft wallets of my choosing. My paper wallet is gone forever.

3) Since my private key is never revealed even to me and remains on the secure element of the device, it is not possible for a hacker to gain access to my funds if my PC or network is compromised. All I have to do is enter my paper wallet into a soft wallet on my PC once and that paper wallet is no longer secure.

You would be correct, however, in pointing out the Achilles heel of the Ledger is the seed. This is mitigated, however, as the seed is generated offline, so it is at the very least as secure as a knowledgeable person setting up a paper wallet. You can further secure the seed using something like a cryptosteel and dropping it in a safe deposit box. Now you have access to your crypto via a secured protected device (Nano) and have recoverability in the event of loss theft, damage, or Ledger going out of business (BIP39 seed on cryptosteel).

Prove it. I want to see proof of you opening a new xrp wallet on your home computer and you importing your ledger wallet private key and assuming control of your coins. Make a video of it too.

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25 minutes ago, BumFuzzle said:

Prove it. I want to see proof of you opening a new xrp wallet on your home computer and you importing your ledger wallet private key and assuming control of your coins. Make a video of it too.

For my own benefit, this was the first thing I did before transferring the majority of my stash over. Of course, I reset the nano and regenerated a new seed as the first test run seed was then potentially compromised.

As far as making a YouTube video..dear lord...no. I'm just a lurker on this forum even. I'm not here to hold your hand. I've offered some facts surrounding the strengths and weaknesses of using a BIP39 compliant secure element device like a Nano, but I'm not going to force you to get one. Do whatever you want with your DAs, I really could not care less, just don't spread false information. Thanks.

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I just love a good old RESPECTABLE discussion where new things are learned and we all benefit.

Thanks Team CSC! :JC_doubleup:

 

Cindy Lou

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I have a question. Im not the smartest guy in this convo. But does a Nano ledger have a bar code????  

I'm not an owner of the ledger and do not plan on it either.. Not trying to bash anything or anyone, but I have a belief/saying.. "If it's plugged in, it's rigged" and my simple question is; When every Nano Ledger is produced, does it come with a barcode from the manufacturer?? 

If this is the case, no one is safe no matter what.. thanks!! 👍

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11 minutes ago, Jack-of-Spade said:

I have a question. Im not the smartest guy in this convo. But does a Nano ledger have a bar code????  

I'm not an owner of the ledger and do not plan on it either.. Not trying to bash anything or anyone, but I have a belief/saying.. "If it's plugged in, it's rigged" and my simple question is; When every Nano Ledger is produced, does it come with a barcode from the manufacturer?? 

If this is the case, no one is safe no matter what.. thanks!! 👍

 

I don't have an answer, but I'll check tomorrow on mine... I have never used the nanos I bought for my XRP.

I like Paper wallets, with copies in multiple, safe places, that's all I truly trust.

I value true safety and security over convenience and ease-of-use.

Admittedly though, I am a low tech cave woman in faded blue jeans... :wink:

 

Cyn

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55 minutes ago, CindyLou said:

Admittedly though, I am a low tech cave woman in faded blue jeans... :wink:

Attractive :classic_biggrin: :heart:
Why Nano is my question again. It´s like admitting you do not trust yourself. You can mess up anything, Paper wallets, whatever one choose to call SAFE.
It is all in your own mind.

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